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People will believe what they want to believe and if that is your belief of what I am doing that is fine with me. That is pretty judgmental when you do not know my story, but you are entitled to your opinion.  I cannot convince anyone of my beliefs; I cannot convince anyone of my intentions. I will tell you that I began my long journey in Mormonism believing what was told to me and asking many questions. Everything I asked sounded right until I realized that the terminology was the same and the intention or true belief behind that terminology was not the same. It was not right for someone to convince me or to try to convince me that something was true when they knew it was not what I was asking. Example: The Virgin Birth, when I asked if they believed in the Virgin Birth they said absolutely and they knew I meant a literal virgin yet they knew they believed in literal sex between God and Mary yet they refused to let me in on that little bit of information. This happened all the way down the line, sadly those that are Mormon in my family lied to me too. It was deceitful at best. I do not believe it is wise to just take a person’s word for anything. I believe that we are supposed to use the mind that was given to us. As I attended Mormon church, studied Mormon scripture, and was deep in the Mormon culture because of family and friends that have been Mormons for generations it began to be obvious that there were contradictions that I could not overlook. All I did was study and anyone that studies will see these things. You have to either turn a blind eye or you have to accept that something is wrong. Sadly, my quest was not to find anything wrong. I wanted it to be right. I wanted it to be true. Even sadder is the fact that it was not right, it was not true, and it was very deceitful. Judge me if you want but anyone that studies with an open heart wanting to find truth and not contradictions will find these contradictions anyway. It cannot stand up to scrutiny as the Bible can and Jesus of the Bible can.

For the record, if someone comments and it is insulting, could be offensive to others, uses foul language, or it is apparent that the person is just trying to antagonize and has no interest in a conversation with an open mind to discussing/considering the two things mandatory for salvation I will not waste your time or mine. I will not post your comment (depending on the nature and content of the comment). I do not apologize for that. I have many people that comment and want private dialog as well as public dialog so I will use G_d’s time speaking with those that truly want to learn. Debate for the sake of debate can happen on any blog or any street corner….I have no interest in debate just for the sake of debate. Most of these issues will never be agreed upon by the majority of Mormons. It is for those that are told the lie as I was, and FFF will offer them the true information so they may make an informed choice for themselves. It is also for those that do not know Mormonism at all yet that are also told it is Christian and told the lies to cover up the true beliefs. I will not apologize for telling the truth. People deserve that. They are smart enough to make their own choices and they deserve the facts in order to do just that. Some will still consider Mormonism but at least they know the true teachings and they have made that choice with factual information. This blog started because of Mitt Romney. I was frustrated that he was lying to people. I could not sit back and watch him lie to people knowing the church the way I do.

What are the two things mandatory for salvation in Christ Jesus?

1)      Jesus is G_d, and we are not

2)  Jesus rose bodily from the grave

Even if you are uncertain, but you are truly seeking information I am more than happy and willing to serve you. If after seeing what the mandatory beliefs of Salvation in Christ are if you are open to learning or you do believe that and you truly are seeking information please feel free to comment and ask questions, for text, and information.

With all of this said I have had some very precious dialog with some that do not at all hold the same beliefs however we agree to disagree and we are not trying to change one another. There is a mutual respect felt, appreciated, and honored. They are truly seeking information, not so much to change, but they truly are curious they do not want to fight, agitate, or try to influence me or my readers. We agree to disagree but it is nice to have friends with which you may do such a thing. It seems like true friendships are formed when people come together that do agree to disagree without having to be right or having to change the other person. Otherwise, it doesn’t seem sincere. Sincerity is truth and truth is love.

 Blessings to you all!

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Fundamentals of the Mormon Faith:  Definition of Fundamental: determining essential structure or function

god is an exalted man of flesh and bones.

god is a product of eternal progression.

The plurality of gods; men can become gods.

god organized the world rather than created it.

There is no eternall hell and punishment.

Intelligences are eternal, pre-existent spirits.

The everlasting covenant of plural marriage.

Necessity of Temples, baptism for the dead.

There are three degrees of glory.

There is a “mother” in heaven.

A Melchizedek and Aaronic Priesthood.

The offices and functions of Bishoprics, Stake, Presidencies, a First Presidency, and a President of the Church.

Either these doctrines must be found in the Book of Mormon or Mormonism is subject to the Judgement of Jesus from 3 Nephi 27:11; Alma 13:20, 2 Nephi 28:15; 2 Nephi 28:16; 21-24, 25.

The Book of Mormon Verses Mormon Doctrine

The Book of Mormon Mormon Doctrine
There is only one God
Mosiah 15:1,5; Alma 11:28; 2 Nephi 31:21
Mormonism teaches there are many gods.
Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5
The Trinity is one God
Alma 11:44; Mosiah 15:2-5; 2 Nephi 31:21, “T. of 3 Witnesses”, 3 Nephi 11:27, 40
The Trinity is three separate gods.
James Talmage, Articles of Faith, p. 35. 1985.
God is unchanging
Mormon 9:9,19; Moroni 8:18; Alma 41:8; 3 Nephi 24:6
God is increasing in knowledge.
Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 120.
God is spirit
Alma 18:24,28; 22:9,11
God has the form of a man.
Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3.
Eternal hell
Jacob 3:11; 6:10; 2 Nephi 19:16; 28:21-23.
Hell is not eternal.
James Talmage, Articles of Faith, p. 55.
Polygamy condemned
Jacob 1:15; Jacob 2:22-27,31;Jacob 3:5; Mosiah 11:2,4; Ether 10:5,7;
Polygamy was taught and practiced.
Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 266
More: The Book of Mormon Contradicts the Mormon Theology/fundamentals. See below:
Temple Oaths: Mormon 8:27; 2 Nephi 9:9; 2 Nephi 26: 22; Alma 34:36; Alma 37: 23, 31
Baptism for the dead: Alma 34:32, 35
Salvation: 2 Nephi 9: 21-23; Mosiah 3:18; Mosiah 5:7; Mosiah 27: 24-26; Alma 5:21; Alma 11: 40-41; Helaman 5: 9-11; 3 Nephi 11:33; Mormon 9: 23-24; Ether 3:14; Ether 4:18; Moroni 8:23
God Organized World: Mormon 9:17
Jesus A Separate God: 2 Nephi 11:7; 2 Nephi 26:12; Mosiah 3:5; Mosiah 7:27; Mosiah 13:34; Mosiah 15:1; Mosiah 16:15; Alma 11:38-39; 3 Nephi 11:27
Eternal Progression: Alma 41:8; 2 Nephi 24:6; Mormon 9: 9-10; Moroni 8:18
Polygamy: Jacob 1:15; Jacob 2: 22-27; Jacob 3:5; Mosiah 11:2; Ether 10:5;
No Trinity: 3 Nephi 11:27, 40; Alma 11:44, Mosiah 15: 2-5; 2 Nephi 31:21; “T. of 3 Witnesses”

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Can You Find These Mormon Teachings in the Bible or in the Book of Mormon?

A challenging game:

The Mormon church teaches that the Bible is “the word of God as far as it is translated correctly” Articles of Faith, No 8. Joseph Smith taught that the Book of Mormon is the most correct book “the fullness of the everlasting gospel” Doctrine & Covenants 27:5, 135:3 and also an addition to or supplement to the Bible. Please find the below references in the Bible and the Book of Mormon to support the following statements and teachings of the Mormon church. Check off the source that supports the statement whether the Bible or the Book of Mormon.

                                                                                                                       BIBLE      Book of Mormon

Sorry the lines are off balance:

1. The Mormon Priesthood is the only authority God recognizes and is

necessary for salvation.                                                                                    _____              _____

2. Temple Marriage For Eternity is necessary for exaltation to godhood. _____              _____

3. Baptism for the dead is required to save the dead.                               _____              _____

4. God was once a man on another planet who progressed to become

god of this world.                                                                                              _____              _____

5.  This god has a body of flesh and bones and is not a spirit.               _____              _____

6.  This god was selected by a council of gods and did not create man,

heaven or earth.                                                                                                _____              _____

7. This god had a father, who had a father, who had a father.                 _____              _____

8. This god is married to many wives and has millions of children.        _____              _____

9. Each individual has the potential to progress to become a god or

goddess of their own world.                                                                            _____              _____

10. This god is eternally progressing and learning new things each day to

become a better god.  Eternal Progression.                                                          _____              _____

11. Jesus was not born of a virgin because Mary was married to god

before she married Joseph.                                                                             _____              _____

12.  Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.                                                                 _____              _____

13. Jesus is also progressing and someday, he too, may become a god

of his own planet.                                                                                             _____              _____

14. Jesus is also married to several women and has many children.     _____              _____

15. The blood of Christ is not sufficient for the forgiveness of several

sins.                                                                                                                     _____              _____

The above statements are found in LDS/Mormon writings and they are doctrines that are taught however are not found in either the Bible or the Book of Mormon. If you see below you will find statements 1-15 and where they are taught in Mormon doctrine. If you look below that you will see statements 1-15 and where they are not supported in the Bible and what the Bible does say about these issues.

1. Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith, Vol 3 page 80; Doctrine & Covenants 121:36; 84:21, 35; Gospel Principles, page 81  (Mormon Priesthood)

2. Doctrine & Covenants 132:20; Mormon Doctrine, Bruce McConkie page 118; The Temple Preparation Manual. (Temple Marriage)

3. Docrine & Covenants 128:15; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith by Joseph F. Smith, page 193; Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, page 153; Alma 34:32, 35 (Baptism for the dead)

4. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith by Joseph Fielding Smith, 345-347; Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie, page 321, Abraham 3:2-9; Journals of Discources, Vol. 6 page 3. (god once a man)

5. Doctrine & Covenants 130:22; Articles of Faith by James Talmage, pages 42-43; Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie, page 589; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith by Joseph Fielding Smith, page 345; Journals of Discources, Vol 9, page 286 (god a body of flesh and not spirit)

6. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith by Joseph Fielding Smith, pages 348-350; 345 and 372; Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie, pages 163-164 and 169; Abraham 3:22 plus chapters 4 and 5; Journals of Discourses, Vol 6, pages 5-6; Doctrine and Covenants 93:29 (god did not create heaven or earth)

7. Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, page 322; Journals of Discourses, Vol 5 page 19; The Seer, by Orson Pratt, page 132; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith by Joseph Fielding Smith, pages 347, 370, and 373. (god had father who had father)

8. The Seer, by Orson Pratt, pages 158 and 172; Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, page 516; Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132. (god married to many wives, many children)

9. Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie, page 321; Doctrine and Covenants 132: 20-21; Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, pages 430 and 530; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith by Joseph Fielding Smith, pages 346 and 374. (each individual may progress into a god/goddess of their own world)

10. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith by Joseph Fielding Smith, pages 345-348; Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, page 430; Journals of Discourses, Vol 6, page 120. Alma 41:8, 3 Nephi 24:6, Mormon 9:9-10, 19, Moroni 8:18 (god is eternally progressing)

11. The Seer, by Orson Pratt, page 158; Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie, pages 546-547; Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, Vol. 1, page 18; Journals of Discourses, Vol. 8, page 115. (Jesus not born of a true virgin, she had sexual intercourse with god)

12. Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, pages 164, 192, 193, and 590; Gospel Through the Ages by Milton R. Hunter, page 15. (jesus brother of lucifer/satan)

13. Teachings of the Prophet Josepth Smith by Joseph Fielding Smith, pages, 346-348. (jesus progressing, he too may become a god of his own planet)

14. The Seer, by Orson Pratt, pages 159 and 172; Journals of Discourses, Vol. 2, page 210 and Vol 4. page 259. (jesus married to several women and has children)

15. Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, Vol 1, page 135; Mormon Doctine, by Bruce McConkie, pages 92-93.  (blood of Christ not sufficient for several sins)

What the Bible says concerning the statements and doctrines taught in number 1-15 in order.

1. The Bible teaches Christ is the only Great High Priest and it can’t be passes from one to another: 1 Peter 2:4-10; Hebrews 4:14, 5:9-10, 7:24-25, 8: 1-2, 9:24.

2. The Bible teaches that marriage of man and woman is for this life only: Matthew 22:29-30; Mark 12: 24-25; Luke 20: 34-36;  Romans 7: 1-4.

3. The Bible teaches that there is no second chance after death: Proverbs 11:7; Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalm 49: 7-8; Luke 16: 26-31; Hebrews 9:27.

4. The Bible teaches that God will reprove anyone who says God is like man: Psalm 50:21; Numbers 23:19; Hosea 11:9; Romans 1:22-23; Psalm 90:2.

5. The Bible teaches that God is a spirit: John 4:24; Luke 24:39; Jeremiah 23:24; Psalm 139:7-10.

6. The Bible teaches that God is the only God: Deuteronomy 4:35 and 6:4; Isaiah 43: 10-11 and 44: 6-8; and He created the heavens, earth and man our of nothing: Hebrews 11:3; Genesis 1:1; Colossians 1:16-17; John 1: 1-4; Romans 11:34-36; Job 38; Jeremiah 10: 11-12; Psalm 102:25; Psalm 90:2.

7. The Bible teaches that we should have no other gods before God: Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 5: 7-9.

8. The Bible teaches that they were fools who changed the uncorruptible God into an image like corruptible man: Romans 1: 22-23; Psalm 50:21; Numbers 23: 19; Hosea 11:9.

9. The Bible teaches that they will be brought down to the pit who say, “I am a god”. Genesis 3: 4-5, Isaiah 14: 12-15 and 44:6; Psalm 50:21; Ezekiel 28: 1-10.

10. The Bible teaches that God does not change: Isaiah 43:10; Malachi 3:6; 1 Samuel 15:29; John 1:1, and 1:14; Hebrews  1:12 and 13:8; James 1:17; Titus 1:2.

11. The Bible teaches that the Virgin Mary was with child from the Holy Spirit: Matthew 1: 18-23; Luke 1: 34-35.

12. The Bible teaches that Jesus created the heavens and the angels, including lucifer, who is a fallen angel: Isaiah 14:12-15; Psalm 33:6; Hebrews 11:3; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 1:15-17 and 2:9; John 1:3.

13. The Bible teaches that Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever: Hebrews 13:8.

14. The Bible teaches that Jesus had no home: Matthew 8:20 and there is no evidence in the Bible that Jesus ever had any wives or children. He would have told us so. He was here for our salvation not to marry and have children.

15. The Bible teaches that the Blood of Jesus cleanses us from All sin: Romans 5: 8-9; 1 John 1: 7-10; Psalm 130: 3-4; Ephesians 2: 13-16; Colossians 2:13; 1 Corinthians 15: 3-4.

It is obvious from both the Mormon 1-15 and the Bible 1-15 that none of the doctrines and teachings in 1-5 are found in either the Bible or the Book of Mormon. However, it is taught that the Book of Mormon is the most complete book on earth. If it is so complete why add all of these additional doctrines that are in contradiction to the Book of Mormon? The Bible stands firm on what it teaches and Christian faith teaches only what is in the Bible. If it goes against the Word of God it is not to be accepted.

The Bible passages about salvation are below.

Romans 1:16; Acts 16:30-31 faith in Jesus; Ephesians 2:8-9 God’s grace, Acts 2:38 and 26:20 repentance, Romans 10:10 and Matthew 10: 32-33 expressing faith, Acts 2:41, 8:36-39 and 16:31-34 Baptism; 1 Peter 3:21.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him ” I am the way, the truth, and the life, No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 8:31-32 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My discipels indeed. 32 ” And you shall know the truth , and the truth shall make you free.”

Don’t take my word for it, don’t take anyone’s word for it, Don’t trust in a church, a teaching, or a living or an old prophet, trust in Jesus and His Word. Ask God to reveal Himself and His truth to you, prayerfully search the Bible daily to test what is true. May the Lord Jesus Christ richly bless you.

                                                 

The Book of Mormon Verses Mormon Doctrine

The Book of Mormon Mormon Doctrine
There is only one God
Mosiah 15:1,5; Alma 11:28; 2 Nephi 31:21
Mormonism teaches there are many gods.
Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5
The Trinity is one God
Alma 11:44; Mosiah 15:2-5; 2 Nephi 31:21, “T. of 3 Witnesses”, 3 Nephi 11:27, 40
The Trinity is three separate gods.
James Talmage, Articles of Faith, p. 35. 1985.
God is unchanging
Mormon 9:9,19; Moroni 8:18; Alma 41:8; 3 Nephi 24:6
God is increasing in knowledge.
Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 120.
God is spirit
Alma 18:24,28; 22:9,11
God has the form of a man.
Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3.
Eternal hell
Jacob 3:11; 6:10; 2 Nephi 19:16; 28:21-23.
Hell is not eternal.
James Talmage, Articles of Faith, p. 55.
Polygamy condemned
Jacob 1:15; Jacob 2:22-27,31;Jacob 3:5; Mosiah 11:2,4; Ether 10:5,7;
Polygamy was taught and practiced.
Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 266

More: The Book of Mormon Contradicts the Mormon Theology. See below:

Temple Oaths: Mormon 8:27; 2 Nephi 9:9; 2 Nephi 26: 22; Alma 34:36; Alma 37: 23, 31

Baptism for the dead: Alma 34:32, 35

Salvation: 2 Nephi 9: 21-23; Mosiah 3:18; Mosiah 5:7; Mosiah 27: 24-26; Alma 5:21; Alma 11: 40-41; Helaman 5: 9-11; 3 Nephi 11:33; Mormon 9: 23-24; Ether 3:14; Ether 4:18; Moroni 8:23

God Organized World: Mormon 9:17

Jesus A Separate God: 2 Nephi 11:7; 2 Nephi 26:12; Mosiah 3:5; Mosiah 7:27; Mosiah 13:34; Mosiah 15:1; Mosiah 16:15; Alma 11:38-39; 3 Nephi 11:27

Eternal Progression: Alma 41:8; 2 Nephi 24:6; Mormon 9: 9-10; Moroni 8:18

Polygamy: Jacob 1:15; Jacob 2: 22-27; Jacob 3:5; Mosiah 11:2; Ether 10:5;

No Trinity: 3 Nephi 11:27, 40; Alma 11:44, Mosiah 15: 2-5; 2 Nephi 31:21; “T. of 3 Witnesses”

Fundamental of the Mormon Faith:

god is an exalted man of flesh and bones.

god is a product of eternal progression.

The plurality of gods; men can become gods.

god organized the world rather than created it.

There is no eternall hell and punishment.

Intelligences are eternal, pre-existent spirits.

The everlasting covenant of plural marriage.

Necessity of Temples, baptism for the dead.

There are three degrees of glory.

There is a “mother” in heaven.

A Melchizedek and Aaronic Priesthood.

The offices and functions of Bishoprics, Stake, Presidencies, a First Presidency, and a President of the Church.

Either these doctrines must be found in the Book of Mormon or Mormonism is subject to the Judgement of Jesus from 3 Nephi 27:11; Alma 13:20, 2 Nephi 28:15; 2 Nephi 28:16; 21-24, 25.

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